Commons : Graphic Lab/Map workshop

1 Do you know how to search for ea Metro line 1 in OSM so I get the stretching with stations?

I have found a coarse way but it would be great if I could all the different types of lines in an exact way.

2 Here I have a part of M line 1. Do you know of any way to download just that stretch, I'm trying to convert the xml you can download to svg but so far I haven't succeeded. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~@ArlindoPereira~~

~~I actually also would need all the stations names as I'm not familiar with all the diacritical symbols, please group them as you have above.~~

~~Sorry about the work load for you but it's very difficult when you don't know the language, thanks.~~ I can probably get the names from OSM. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have just remembered of "Mapa Metropolitano de Transportes", it was a map made from previous state administration that had all transports. It has been unfortunately dropped by current administration, so it is outdated (do not show new BRT Transbrasil and LRV Line 4) but should give a general idea of the network. There is a copy of it in https://www.tremdedados.com.br/mapa-rio-metropolitano-de-transportes/

An interesting detail of it is that it shows differently free transfers and paid transfers. That is because of our stupid company based fares, you cannot switch from one company to another (say from MetrôRio/subway to SuperVia/trains) without paying a new fare. So it shows as white the transfers that are free (between different lines of same operator) and as black transfers that are paid (between different lines of different operators). I understand that this add a new layer of complexity but it might be interesting to show on the map if you manage to include (but I wouldn't say it would be strictly needed).

Extended content

Sure @Goran tek-en, I will list the OSM relations for all systems and lines:

Subway, operator name MetrôRio. They have a map showing only their lines: https://metrorio.com.br/Content/pdf/mapa_metrorio_turista.pdf
- Line 1, or in portuguese "Linha 1": Uruguai/Tijuca ↔ General Osório/Ipanema
  - Please notice this line is "intertwined" with Line 4. This means there is no change of trains needed on General Osório/Ipanema, trains go all the way from Uruguai/Tijuca to Jardim Oceânico / Barra da Tijuca. In reality in one way the train is named "Line 1/Line 4" and in the other way around is "Line 4/Line 1". This is due to political reasons (Line 4 was constructed many years after Line 1). They are still shown as two separate lines despite in reality being a single line operation. This means you don't need to mark General Osório/Ipanema a interchange station, just treat it as a regular station within the two lines as their supplied PDF map.
  - Uruguai/Tijuca → General Osório/Ipanema https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/285322
  - General Osório/Ipanema → Uruguai/Tijuca https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7944060
- Line 2 / "Linha 2": Pavuna ↔ Botafogo and Pavuna ↔ Estácio
  - Please notice this line has two different operations. During the weekdays, it runs from Pavuna until Botafogo, meaning stations between Central do Brasil / Centro and Botafogo are serviced with Line 1 and Line 2 trains.
  - On weekends this line is not mixed with Line 1 and finishes operation on Estácio station, in which users can change platforms and take Line 1 trains.
  - Pavuna → Botafogo https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/285324
  - Botafogo → Pavuna https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4292975
  - Pavuna → Estácio is missing from OSM. It is basically the same from Pavuna until São Cristóvão, then instead of going to Cidade Nova, it diverges southeast until Estácio station. I will create the relation on OSM soon.
  - Estácio → Pavuna (idem)
- Line 4 / "Linha 4": General Osório/Ipanema ↔ Jardim Oceânico/Barra da Tijuca
  - General Osório/Ipanema → Jardim Oceânico/Barra da Tijuca https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6432700
  - Jardim Oceânico/Barra da Tijuca → General Osório/Ipanema https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6432701
Suburban Trains, operator name SuperVia. They have a route map showing only their lines: https://www.supervia.com.br/sites/default/files/mapa_de_linhas-02.pdf
- They have five lines departing from the same station, Central do Brasil (just as curiosity, something like "Brazil Central Station" back from the old days we use to have long distance trains). Then they have three other lines, that depart from two final stations of two of the following five lines.
- The three first stops, Central do Brasil, São Cristóvão and Maracanã act as a hub because on them you can change between all five lines (and to nearby subway stations). The next stop on Saracuruna and Belford Roxo lines, Triagem, is also a transfer station between those two lines.
- Deodoro Line / "Ramal Deodoro": Central do Brasil ↔ Deodoro. Is also called "stopper train" because the next two run parallel to it stopping in fewer stations.
  - Central do Brasil → Deodoro https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1609111
  - Deodoro → Central do Brasil https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9963664
- Santa Cruz Line / "Ramal Santa Cruz": Central do Brasil ↔ Santa Cruz
  - Is also called "express line", together with Japeri line, because between Central do Brasil and Deodoro it skips many stops that are served only by the stopper trains. It is possible to switch between Santa Cruz and Japeri lines to/from Deodoro line in all stops between Deodoro and Central do Brasil, except for Silva Freire station, that only serves express trains.
  - Central do Brasil → Santa Cruz https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1609112
  - Santa Cruz → Central do Brasil https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6432130
- Japeri Line / "Ramal Japeri": Central do Brasil ↔ Japeri
  - (see above)
  - Central do Brasil → Japeri https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1589649
  - Japeri → Central do Brasil https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6432247
- Belford Roxo Line / "Ramal Belford Roxo": Central do Brasil ↔ Belford Roxo
  - Central do Brasil → Belford Roxo https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1578053
  - Belford Roxo → Central do Brasil https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9963650
- Saracuruna Line / "Ramal Saracuruna": Central do Brasil ↔ Saracuruna
  - They also show Gramacho as a terminal because they have also a smaller services Central do Brasil ↔ Gramacho and Gramacho ↔ Saracuruna. The line is duplicated all the way from Gramacho to Central do Brasil but from Saracuruna to Gramacho it is a single line. If I recall correctly it operates on weekdays directly from Central do Brasil to Saracuruna without transfer needed in Gramacho and on the weekends it is split in Gramacho and you need to switch trains if you want to go all the way to Saracuruna.
  - Central do Brasil → Gramacho https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1306884
  - Gramacho → Central do Brasil https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9963672
  - Gramacho → Saracuruna https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6018221
  - Saracuruna → Gramacho https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9963666
- Paracambi Line / "Ramal Paracambi": Japeri ↔ Paracambi
  - Japeri → Paracambi https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9963668
  - Paracambi → Japeri https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1578818
- Vila Inhomirim Line / "Ramal Vila Inhomirim": Saracuruna ↔ Vila Inhomirim
  - Saracuruna → Vila Inhomirim https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1604426
  - Vila Inhomirim → Saracuruna https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9963644
- Guapimirim Line / "Ramal Guapimirim": Saracuruna ↔ Guapimirim
  - Saracuruna → Guapimirim https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1604427
  - Guapimirim → Saracuruna https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9963673

(I'll save this comment for now and edit with other lines)--ArlindoPereira (talk) 10:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing @Goran tek-en

LRV or "VLT", operator VLT Carioca
- They have a map of their routes on their website https://www.vltrio.com.br/#/mapa-turistico as well as a diagram line that might be useful https://www.vltrio.com.br/#/mapa-rede
- Please notice that the lines have different stops depending on the direction.
- It runs in downtown area and connects many interest points. I will list the relevant connections and LRV stops:
  - Santos Dumont: connection to airport
  - Cinelândia, Carioca, Central: connection to subway
  - Central: connection to train station, cable car, bus terminal
  - Parada dos Navios Valongo: connection to cruise ships terminal
  - Providência: connection to cable car
  - Rodoviária: connection to bus station
  - Terminal Intermodal Gentileza: connection to bus station + BRT station
- Line 1 / "Linha 1": Santos Dumont ↔ Terminal Intermodal Gentileza
  - Santos Dumont → Terminal Intermodal Gentileza https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6667529
  - Terminal Intermodal Gentileza → Santos Dumont https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6667528
- Line 2 / "Linha 2": Praça XV ↔ Praia Formosa
  - Praça XV → Praia Formosa https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7064053
  - Praia Formosa → Praça XV https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7064052
- Line 3 / "Linha 3": Santos Dumont ↔ Central
  - Santos Dumont → Central https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9453118
  - Central → Santos Dumont https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9453119
- Line 4 / "Linha 4": Praça XV ↔ Terminal Intermodal Gentileza
  - Praça XV → Terminal Intermodal Gentileza
  - Terminal Intermodal Gentileza → Praça XV
  - both are missing OSM relations, I will create them soon. It is very similar to Line 2, changing only the initial/final stop, being Terminal Intermodal Gentileza instead of Praia Formosa.
BRT
- It will be a bit difficult showing relations because the 4 different corridors have many routes. It does not help that the standard OSM visualization hides highway=busway (and I have an open discussion / beef with them, e.g. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4714 and https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/busways-not-rendered-on-main-openstreetmap-carto-for-years-prs-are-ready-but-not-accepted/6193 )
- Let me know how I could help, for instance writing down all stations names. --ArlindoPereira (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira This is a really complicated request/map so we just has to take it step by step or I will be lost forever.

I really like the way you provide me with information, it’s great, thanks.
For this map, It has structured info but the map scale/projection is strange and I can’t make it work with our OSM map but there is good info.

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Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.

Those drafts are shown for proofreading only.

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Now I have a draft Transport-1 for you to check.

The base map we can change, this is a part that shows the Metro lines as I have understood it. This is the style I intend to use so see what you think. Please be straight and open with your feedback, thanks.

The only thing I/we can control regarding viewing is that the map works in 100%. So if you need to download it to be sure you view it in 100%, do so but be sure to delete it afterward. Those drafts are copyrighted to me up to the point I upload it to commons --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Goran tek-en, it is looking great so far! Loved the companies logos together with the line numbers, it looks very much like an "official" map, by that I mean it has very good quality. Understood your point regarding the copyright of non-final version.

Regarding the other map, yes it is not to the scale, looks more like an schematic / line diagram that somewhat adapts to the geography (up to a certain point) than an "actual" map without many distortions.

I just reminded of yet another map / diagram reference you could use to have a general idea of the rail transports in the city: Urban Rail maps: Rio de Janeiro, a large version with full SuperVia coverage and zoomed in downtown. Of course this map is also very schematic (as all curves are 45 degrees) but one thing I find interesting on it is that it highlights tunnel sections with some parenthesis.

Most likely the downtown area would need to be covered with a square to zoom in at some empty point of the map, like they do, in order to keep the geographic scale of the outer edges but also show downtown in detail.

A couple of things I would change, if possible:

Noticed that "Nossa Senhora da Paz" (on line 4) station name is incorrect, but it was also incorrect on OSM, it should be "Nossa Senhora da Paz / Ipanema". I have just fixed the OSM.
If possible, make the line colors more similar to those used by the transport companies. That means green for Line 2 and yellow for Line 4. They use respectively #b6d52a and #ffc500, but of course you can tweak it to be brighter or darker as needed for a good contrast.
- I understand that it would be potentially a challenge once you introduce other networks, because for instance SuperVia (train operator) uses green for Ramal Santa Cruz and MOBI-Rio (BRT operator) uses green for Transolímpica. So you might need to tweak the colors a bit for it to have enough contrast to be able to tell the difference. In that sense, I like that Mapa Rio Metropolitano approach for the colors, you might want to pick their hex values because they seem to put some thought into that (I happen to know the original author, that used to work within the previous state administration). To make it easier, I will copy the hex values they've used (of course you are not required to use the exact colors, but still, might be helpful)
Those stations that have dash on their names, there need to be a space before and after, so foo / bar instead of foo/bar
The forest geometry might get too noisy once all lines are in, consider making it's geometry simpler. Also the white bits inside of it - are those rock exposed parts, without trees? They might look like snow.
On the base map, there is a bit of road missing on downtown, there should be a tunnel on that road right of Carioca / Centro until the road north of Saara / Presidente Vargas stations. It looks a bit weird without it.

Thanks again! :)--ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lines colors in hex:
(colors marked with an asterisk are from lines created after Mapa Rio Metropolitano was published, therefore I picked the color used by their operators; might need some tweak) @Goran tek-en

Subway / MetrôRio
- Line 1: #f05122
- Line 2: #007d3f
- Line 4: #f8be14
Trains / SuperVia
- Deodoro Line: #b81e23
- Santa Cruz Line: #5ba545
- Japeri Line: #009fdb
- Belford Roxo Line: #55277b
- Saracuruna Line: #d88227
- Paracambi Line: #a4bfe4
- Vila Inhomirim Line: #c3b12f
- Guapimirim Line: #f8cf0b
LRV / VLT Carioca
- Line 1: #0059aa
- Line 2: #4cb748
- Line 3: #fdcf04
- Line 4*: #ff7104
BRT / MOBI-Rio
- TransOeste corridor: #008fcf
- TransCarioca corridor: #f37420
- TransOlímpica corridor: #02b25b
- TransBrasil corridor*: #ed3237
- Conexão BRT lines*: #fbab18

ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Quick reply, I always try to use colors so the maps will work as well as possible for people with color deficiency.

I hope we don't have to do an inset for the downtown area but we will see. Agree on the other parts of map editing, also here we have a Map-template that we try to stick to so most of the created maps here have a deegre of similarity, but it's not a must and I will change now and along the line of work. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira Why do you give me two OSM links for each line, aren't they just reversed... --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see the stations are moving a bit, some at least but our map is not that detailed that it matters. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Yeah, sending both routes just for completeness sake. Indeed for subway, train and BRT it does not matter (other than double checking that indeed both routes are parallel), but it matters for LRV as some sections of their routes are unidirectional.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the pdf Mapa Rio there are some more stations than on OSM but I follow OSM.
Is Del Castilho the same for M2 and Belford Roxo, in some maps they have different names, connected…
Is Pavuna / São João de Meriti Belford Roxo and Pavuna M2 the same station, connected a bit a part on the map…
Draft transportation-2.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en it looks nice. I'll double check everything.

It might be that the relations have missing stations. I'll double check all of them to be sure.
Regarding Pavuna, the two stations are separated but there should be an integration connection between them. But the one from Line 2 subway is called "Pavuna" and the one on Belford Roxo train line is "Pavuna / São João de Meriti". This is the route between them, there is a footbridge between the two stations.
For Del Castilho, the stations are really separate, one needs to exit, go to the street and walk approximately a block between the two stations. They're not connected like Pavuna, São Cristóvão or Maracanã stations. See OSM route.
Spotted a couple of typos:
- SuperVia Deodoro (red) line, from downtown towards suburbs (i.e. from east to west):
  - After Sampaio should be "Engenho Novo"
  - After Cascadura should be "Madureira"
  - After Oswaldo Cruz should be "Prefeito Bento Ribeiro"
- SuperVia Santa Cruz (green) line:
  - Santissimo should be "Santíssimo" (diacritic on first i)
  - Missing station Campo Grande between Augusto Vasconcelos and Benjamim do Monte (OSM relation was wrong, just fixed it)
  - Benjamin do Monte should be "Benjamim do Monte" (sorry this one was also wrong on OSM, just fixed it)
  - Inhoaiba should be "Inhoaíba" (diacritic)
  - Missing station Paciência between Cosmos and Tancredo Neves (OSM relation was wrong, just fixed it, sorry again)
- SuperVia Japeri (blue) and Paracambi (light blue) lines: all correct
- SuperVia Belford Roxo line:
  - (Del Castilho as mentioned above)
  - Thomás Coelho should be "Tomás Coelho"
    - just on curiosity, this is another example of two stations with similar names - Tomás Coelho on SuperVia, Thomaz Coelho on MetrôRio - that are not connected. In this case they really are very separate, just happen to be on the same neighborhood but over 1km away from each other, and also spelled differently (no idea why).
  - Missing station Coelho da Rocha between Agostinho Porto and Belford Roxo
- SuperVia Saracuruna line:
  - After Olaria should be "Penha"
- SuperVia Vila Inhomirim line: all correct
- SuperVia Guapimirim line:
  - Missing Santa Guilhermina between Suruí and Iriri
  - After Parada Modelo should be "Parada Bananal"
  - After Parada Bananal should be "Guapimirim"

One final detail that might be tricky to make it fit: only the subway station is called "Central do Brasil / Centro"; the train station is just "Central do Brasil", without the suffix.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft transport-3, I have removed most in the background so it will be more easy for you to check the texts. If you need a draft with all in just let me know.

I would like to understand the real purpose and expectations of this map. How much do you want to be fitted, into what degree of details, because it’s impossible to get everything in and so it will still be eligible. Is it to just show an overview or more detailed. Because so far I haven’t found any map with all the different means of transportation in one map and that is probably that it would get too hard to understand, so please try to explain to me, thanks.
For every thing we add I have to change other stuff to make it work so you will have to check everything for every draft, I do understand that will mean more work for you but this is the reality. I also haven’t made the final fixes with all the texts as I have to change all the time, will do that when everything is set.
Just info: Santa Guilhermina, it’s not on the link to OSM and not on the source png but I found it.
For BRT I have two lines TransBrasil and TransConexao, but I can’t find any stops or names for them. The maps I find have too low resolution.
If Boiúna is supposed to be spelled like this you could edit OSM.
Same with RioCentro
Should Parque Olímpico be on TransOlimpica?
I have added T to the stations I found to be Terminals, should we make a special icon for them?
For T Alvorada - Arquiteto Jaime Lerner, T Alvorada we have two different names.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Thanks again for updating. I will do a full double check on all lines. But first answering your questions:

As mentioned on my initial message, the idea is to update File:Public_transport_map_of_Rio_de_Janeiro.png, which is used in hundreds of pages, in multiple languages as a general map of Rio transport. Yes, it is quite of a challenge (thanks again for picking it up!)
Yes I can check always, I mean that's the least I can do. I am looking forward to it.
Sorry about Santa Guilhermina, I will double check OSM relations.
For BRT lines, I will write down the stop names, and also double check them on OSM. There are 4 BRT lines, in the order they were built (I also suggest you use this order on map legend): TransOeste (blue, from south to northwest), TransCarioca (orange, from south to northeast), TransOlímpica (green, from southwest to north) and TransBrasil (red, from west to downtown/east (our downtown is on the center of metropolitan area, by the bay)).
Yes Boiúna has a diacritic. I will double check all stations and update their names, please check the list down below.
I like the idea of depicting terminals as "T (station name)" but I'd add a dot for the abbreviation, thus making "T. (station name)".

But first my observations about draft #3:

BRT logo is outdated. The BRT lines were operated by a private company called "BRT Rio" until 2021, now they're operated by a public operator called "MOBI-Rio". This is their website: https://mobi-rio.rio.br/. I will ask them for a logo for each line and will share with you asap.
MOBI-Rio website has all details, but some stations have wrong names on their website. I will also double check the spelling on Street View imagery to make sure that the list below is correct (and also make sure that OSM is correct). I will mark on the list below in italic when the spelling in reality differs from MOBI-Rio website.
Some BRT stations have "suffixes" written in small print in station names (example), with the name of a closest POI. I think adding them is not needed.
Some BRT stations are Terminals, I'll mark them in bold. They're terminals either because they connect to other modals, to other BRT lines or to an adjacent (regular) bus terminal. In some cases (for instance Salvador Allende) the station itself is not a terminal, but it is adjacent to a terminal. In this case mark the two stations separately with a connection between them.
You added one Conexão BRT line, looks nice to be able to see that connection on the map, but I think that maybe it could be on a thinner line.

BRT stations names:

TransOeste (blue), from east to northwest:
- Terminal Jardim Oceânico (connection with subway); Bosque Marapendi; Paulo Malta Rezende; Afrânio Costa; Riviera; Ricardo Marinho; Parque das Rosas; Barra Shopping; Terminal Alvorada (connection with TransCarioca); Bosque da Barra; Novo Leblon; Américas Park; Santa Mônica Jardins; Riomar; Golfe Olímpico; Interlagos; Pedra de Itaúna; Pontões/Barra Sul; Salvador Allende (connection with TransOlímpica); Gelson Fonseca; Guignard; Gláucio Gil; Benvindo de Novaes; Nova Barra; Gilka Machado; Guiomar Novaes; Recreio Shopping; Recanto das Garças; Notre Dame; Dom Bosco; Pontal; (tunnel); Ilha de Guaratiba; CTEx; Embrapa; Terminal Mato Alto; Terminal Magarça; Terminal Pingo d'Água; Vendas de Varanda; Santa Veridiana; Terminal Curral Falso; (from here begins the branch towards Campo Grande, stations on the next bullet point); Cajueiros; Gastão Rangel; General Olímpio; Terminal Santa Cruz
- Branch towards Campo Grande, from the branch towards Campo Grande: Cesarão I; Cesarão II; Cesarão III; Vila Paciência; Três Pontes; Cesarinho; 31 de Outubro; Santa Eugênia (connection with SuperVia); Júlia Miguel; Parque de São Paulo; Cosmos; Icurana; Vilar Carioca; Inhoaíba; Ana Gonzaga; São Jorge; Pina Rangel; (from here, it starts to be one-way loop) Parque Esperança; Cândido Magalhães; Terminal Campo Grande; (and returning from it) Prefeito Alim Pedro.
TransCarioca (orange), from south to northeast:
- Terminal Alvorada; Lourenço Jorge; Aeroporto Jacarepaguá; Via Parque; Centro Metropolitano; Rede Sarah; Rio 2; (after Rio 2 it branches northwest to continue main path, and also continues forward west) Pedro Corrêa; Curicica; Praça do Bandolim; Arroio Pavuna; Vila Sapê; Recanto das Palmeiras; Divina Providência; Santa Efigênia; Merck; André Rocha; Terminal Taquara; Aracy Cabral; Terminal Tanque (no need to the full name IMO); (checked names until this point) Ipase; Praça Seca; Capitão Menezes; Pinto Teles; Campinho; Terminal Paulo da Portela; Madureira; Mercadão; Otaviano; Vila Queiroz; Vaz Lobo; Marambaia; Vicente de Carvalho; Vila Kosmos; Pedro Taques; Praça do Carmo; Guaporé; Pastor José Santos; (here a small oneway segment, going northeast is Penha 2, going southwest is Penha 1); Ibiapina; Olaria; Cardoso de Moraes; Santa Luzia; Maré; Terminal Fundão; Galeão Tom Jobim.
  - (continuing the branch after Rio 2 going west); Parque Olímpico; Terminal Centro Olímpico.

--ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You really don’t have to thank me all the time, we are doing this together.

So Conexão is a separate line, not BRT. Why should it be thinner, is it not also a means of transport?
Like this Pontões/Barra Sul or Pontões / Barra Sul?
Parque esperança or Parque Esperança?
Could you also ask for the VLT logo in svg, we don’t have it at commons.
Brasil line, there is a lot of stops I can’t find on OSM.
I have found this page which seems to have a pretty updated map and info. Sadly it’s not a map with the actual lines but still.
I know downtown is messy but I want to see if we can do without an inset, it gives a better overview.
Draft transport-4.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is a mean of transport, it's just that in my mind it feels a bit weird that they have so much prominence, but that might be just premature optimization.
Good catch, "Pontões / Barra Sul".
Parque Esperança. In general, all words in station names should be with the first letter capitalized, except when it's an article or connecting word such as "Bosque da Barra" (literally "Barra's Forest" - the word "da" is like the "'s" in English). Sometimes the article is merged to the word, such as "Pingo d'Água" (and not "Pingo D'água").
It might be in the wrong category, but VLT logo is in svg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vlt_carioca_logo.svg
I need to finish the BRT station name cleaning, I was editing on OSM but that is taking too long and I don't want to keep you waiting, so I will finish the list above asap (and only fix on OSM later).
Amazing page! Seems to be a good reference. It's similar to that Urban Railways website, but without restricting itself to railways only.
Nice. Would probably be an interesting challenge, in terms of design.
Considerations about Draft 4:
- Looking very nice! The final result is going to be absolutely wonderful :)))
- Loved the "ribbon" solution for the SuperVia parallel lines, and specially the attention of leaving a small gap between that ribbon and the MetrôRio line.
- Also liked very much the indication in black for paid transfers, vs. white for free transfers.
- I know it'd be very challenging to name the VLT Carioca stations downtown, but I wouldn't put their names to the bottom. It might be messier, but might be better to put their names only to the top; eventually those legend "balloons" could have the same spacing as their lines below have.
- Maybe it'd be better to drop the suffixes for the stations next to each other and have that information as an asterisk on their names? So having the same "cluster" be called "Central do Brasil*", or "Carioca*", or "Cinelândia*" and explain with a small print on the legend that the subway stations have the suffixes.
- For corrections, with the exception of stations names typos (I'll ignore those for now as I still need to give you a full list of station names for BRT):
  - VLT is missing the branch between Rodoviária and Terminal Intermodal Gentileza. Nowadays only Line 2 (green) go to Praia Formosa; Lines 1 (blue) and 4 (orange) go to Gentileza. See https://www.vltrio.com.br/#/mapa-turistico
  - Missing connection indications:
    - Triagem (paid between MetrôRio and SuperVia)
    - Pavuna (paid between MetrôRio and SuperVia)
    - Vicente de Carvalho (paid between MetrôRio and BRT)
    - Deodoro (free between SuperVia lines; free between BRT lines, including Conexão; paid between those two clusters)
    - Magalhães Bastos (paid between SuperVia and BRT)
    - Vila Militar (paid between SuperVia and BRT)
    - Madureira (paid between SuperVia and BRT)
  - Missing two Conexão BRT lines (only one has been included so far)
    - For these Conexão BRT lines, probably might be an overkill to include intermediate stops as those are simple bus stops, often without any infrastructure other than a simple post with a sign. That's why I also think it might be better to list it as a thinner line, otherwise it looks like a train line or something of more importance.
  - On BRT TransOlímpica, T. Sulacap should be on that small semi-circular branch instead of on the main track.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got the BRT operator MOBI-Rio logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_MOBI-Rio.svg @Goran tek-en --ArlindoPereira (talk) 18:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm impressed by your knowledge regarding this subject, do you work with it?

I have found that logo but thought it was an old one, is this not the current one?, anyway I added the one at commons.
I have kept the suffixes so far and tried to make it cleaner, if it doesn’t work we can do the suffixes if we need to.
Conexão BRT lines, I can’t find the other two, could you provide me with links on OSM or other maps.
Draft Transport-5.

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Not really other than a few gigs, I'm just a public transport enthusiast. I like hanging around communities such as SkyScraperCity and local ones. Most of my Wikipedia edits in portuguese are related to PT :)

This logo you shared is of VLT Carioca, i.e. the operator for LRV in downtown. The other one I uploaded is of Mobi-RIO, i.e. the BRT / rapid bus network operator.
Coolio.
Those are the three Conexão BRT lines, you have included line 67 so far:
- Line 28
  - Pingo d'Água → Curral Falso - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/18275251
  - Curral Falso → Pingo d'Água - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/18279156
- Line 67
  - Campo Grande → Deodoro - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/18291015
  - Deodoro → Campo Grande - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/18300766
- Line 68
  - Deodoro → Bangu - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/18286366
  - Bangu → Deodoro - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/18286484
- Also it should be named "Conexão BRT", not "Transconexão".
It looks fantastic. Once again I will ignore the station names (I need to finish that list above asap) and focus on everything else:
- Loved the BRT logo with the names "pills" below, looks very clean.
  - BRT Transoeste legend has a typo (Transoeste, not Transoesta).
- Also liked very much the differentiation between BRT (clean line), Train (line with inner white) and Subway (line with inner black).
- I suppose you want to get it completed before tackling the other modes of transport, such as ferries etc.
- VLT / LRV on downtown looks neat. Do you consider an inset to display it with bigger detail, even though it is readable currently?
  - Stop "Equador", liked how you made it fit in two lines, but the syllable separation is "E-qua-dor" so it'd be better to split it as "Equa-dor" instead of "Equ-ador".
- BRT, a couple of details:
  - There needs to be a connection between TransCarioca and TransOlímpica between stops Rio 2 and Parque Olímpico (south-center of map, above that lake). You can make it green.
- Reviewing that source you shared (Metro Route Atlas) and it seems I have forgotten completely about Corredor Metropolitano Alameda São Boaventura (right part of the map, above TransOceânica). It is a bus corridor with stops that has names, similar to TransOceânica. I will double check if it is mapped on OSM and ping you.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 12:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Corredor Metropolitano Alameda São Boaventura is a bus corridor in Niterói, right side of the map. Several bus lines run on it, on regular streets, and in this specific street they have a dedicated bus corridor. It is similar to BHLS Transoceânico. Stops are called "XXX A" and "XXX B", being A the bus stop towards east and B the stop towards west. On the map you can have both stops simply as "XXX", with the coordinate as the mean as the two stops. Map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-22.88118/-43.09091

Stops names: Nossa Senhora das Mercês; João Brasil; Bairro Chic; Horto; Riodades; Getulinho. @Goran tek-en ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right now I’m happy with it if you are, this is a general overlook, does it need more details?
I think I found Corredor Metropolitano Alameda São Boaventura, is there a logo and any specific color?
I just added one stop for any XA XB, do you want two for each?
Any logo for BHLS TransOceânica?
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--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I think it is pretty good. Though as some areas are empty, I think an inset for downtown could be useful, as it can be a bit hard to read, and some smaller modals still need to be added, such as the gondola between Central and Gamboa.
No logo. Also no specific color AFAIK, I guess you could pick blue as that's what they use in the signs: Street View, or just any other color that would make it easier to be differentiated on the legend.
Yes, one stop for any XA XB, named X.
No logo unfortunately. For specific color, I guess it would make sense either orange (as used on the stops "ribbons") or light green / lime (the vehicles colors). Here you can see some pictures: Niterói city website
Regarding the draft
- Oooh it is looking so nice :))))
  - Loved how you shrinked the SuperVia lines to finish at Central do Brasil. Good solution :)
- I think it might make sense to add some paid connections to very close stations, such as Santa Cruz (train and BRT) and Paciência/Santa Eugênia (train and BRT). In both cases user just has to cross a street.
- Some considerations about Conexão BRT lines:
  - They look great in yellow, I think it is the first time that shows them mixed with other transports :)
  - The final stops names can be supressed as they stop on the terminals, together with the BRT lines. This means specifically:
    - Line 28, no need for "Curral Falso - 28" and "Pingo d'Água - 28", leave only Terminal Curral Falso and Terminal Pingo d'Água respectively
      - A small detail: the stop Jardim Guaratiba is a bit to the side but that's temporary due to some road works. You can make the line straight and move the stop in horizontal axis so it doesn't detour to the parallel street.
    - Line 68, similarly no need for "Terminal Deodoro - 68", just list it as "Terminal Deodoro", like you did in Campo Grande
- BRT:
  - TransOeste:
    - the branch towards Campo Grande, is missing one-way arrows (east bound from Pina Rangel to Campo Grande; west bound from Campo Grande to Pina Rangel).
  - TransCarioca:
    - In Madureira it needs some adjustments. The situation there is this: the rail system runs east-west and the BRT crosses it south-north, on a viaduct that runs above the train station. But there are two BRT stations, one named Terminal Paulo da Portela that is south of the train station (and do not cross the viaduct), and one above, on the viaduct, named Madureira / Manaceia. There is free integration between the two bus terminals and paid integration to the railway. OpenStreetMap / Google Maps
  - Also Penha station needs to be split between stops Penha 1 and Penha 2, with a small one-way segments around it. OpenStreetMap Google Maps
- I guess I can start reviewing stop names, at least for the rail systems. This means we need to correct these typos:
  - MetrôRio: all correct
  - VLT Carioca
    - Some stations are missing suffixes: Santa Rita Pretos Novos, Camerino Rosas Negras, Cristiano Ottoni Pequena África, Parada dos Navios Valongo
    - Because it is a vectorial map, maybe having smaller legends for the stops? Because of all the arrows, it is a bit unreadable. Or maybe only the final stops names, and then on the inset the full detail.
  - SuperVia:
    - Ramal Deodoro, from east to west:
      - Missing stop "São Francisco Xavier" between Mangueira / Jamelão and Riachuelo
      - Maybe Prefeito Bento Ribeiro as a bit crowded? Try breaking the line after Prefeito. If you need to abbreviate, you could use "Pref. Bento Ribeiro"
      - "Marechal Hermes" has a typo
      - "Pill" with the name needs to be "Deodoro" and not "DeoDoro"
    - Ramal Santa Cruz, from east to west:
      - Maybe move the legend of station "Tancredo Neves" a bit to the left? It looks a bit like the rail station name is "Cesarinho" (the closes BRT station).
      - Other than that, all correct.
    - Ramal Japeri and Ramal Paracambi, Ramal Belford Roxo, Ramal Vila Inhomirim: all correct
    - Ramal Saracuruna, from south to north:
      - Manguinhos syllable separation is Man-gui-nhos, so you can split it as "Mangui-nhos" if needed, though I think it would probably fit if you move the legend slightly down.
      - Typo on "Penha"
    - Ramal Guapimirim, from southwest to northeast:
      - Parada Santa Dalila can just be "Santa Dalila". (I'm not sure why some stops keep the word "Parada" (lit. Stop) and other doesn't, but still. Street View vs Street View)
  - BRT TransOeste: Terminal Mato Alto, Parque de São Paulo
    - Station Gramado has been supressed, this one slipped while I was editing. Just removed it from OSM. Street View

ArlindoPereira (talk) 10:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Continuing the BRT stations names:

TransCarioca (orange), from south to northeast:
- Terminal Alvorada; Lourenço Jorge; Aeroporto Jacarepaguá; Via Parque; Centro Metropolitano; Rede Sarah; Rio 2; (after Rio 2 it branches northwest to continue main path, and also continues forward west) Pedro Corrêa; (here you can also make a green path from nearby Asa Branca to Curicica, the busways are connected to each other in this point); Curicica; Praça do Bandolim; Arroio Pavuna; Vila Sapê; Recanto das Palmeiras; Divina Providência; Santa Efigênia; Merck; André Rocha; Terminal Taquara; Aracy Cabral; Terminal Tanque - Mestre Candeia; Ipase (instead of IPASE); Praça Seca; Capitão Menezes; Pinto Teles; Campinho; (small branch to) Terminal Paulo da Portela; (main branch continues to) Madureira Manaceia; Mercadão (only train station is called Mercadão de Madureira); Otaviano; Vila Queiroz; Vaz Lobo; Marambaia; Vicente de Carvalho; Vila Kosmos; Pedro Taques; Praça do Carmo; Guaporé; Pastor José Santos; (here a small oneway segment, going northeast is Penha 2, going southwest is Penha 1); Ibiapina; Olaria (paid connection to Olaria train station); (viaduct over train); Cardoso de Moraes; Santa Luzia; (viaduct over Avenida Brasil); Maré; Terminal Aroldo Melodia; Galeão Tom Jobim II; Galeão Tom Jobim I.
  - I think there is some detail about the final airport stations (if it only stops in one of them one way etc.), I'll get the details and update here.
  - (continuing the branch after Rio 2 going west); Parque Olímpico; Terminal Centro Olímpico.
TransOlímpica (green), from southwest to north:
- Terminal Recreio (free connection to Salvador Allende); Catedral do Recreio; Tapebuias; Ilha Pura; Olof Palme; Riocentro; (branch towards east: Terminal Centro Olímpico; Parque Olímpico and connecting to TransCarioca); Morro do Outeiro (free connection to T. Centro Olímpico); Minha Praia; Asa Branca; (small branch going east connecting to TransCarioca again); Leila Diniz; Ventura; Colônia; Outeiro Santo; Boiúna; Marechal Fontenelle; (small branch going east towards Terminal Sulacap); Padre João Cribbin; Magalhães Bastos; Vila Militar; Terminal Deodoro
TransBrasil (red), from west to east:
- Terminal Gentileza; INTO; (Caju station is closed, no plans to open, you can remove it / hide it for now); Vasco da Gama; Benfica; Fiocruz; Hospital de Bonsucesso / CPOR; Baixa do Sapateiro; Rubens Vaz; Piscinão de Ramos; Marinha Mercante; Lobo Júnior; Mercado São Sebastião; (small branch going north to Terminal Missões, but it is still under construction, so you don't need to include it for now); Cidade Alta; Vigário Geral / Praça Dois (on the line diagram inside the bus it is listed as this, but the street sign says "Vigário Geral (Praça Dois)" - Street View); (small branch going north to Terminal Margaridas, but it is still under construction, so you don't need to include it for now); Ceasa / Irajá (though sign says only "Irajá" - Street View); Fazenda Botafogo; Jardim Guadalupe; Guadalupe; Terminal Deodoro.

ArlindoPereira (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will wait to try the inset until everything else is set.
VLT Carioca. Will wait with that until everything else is set and we test inset.
Manguinhos. That word is left anchored (it will grove to the right) and when svg is turned into png and especially in thumbnails texts can extend more in the png than what it is in the svg (or the png drafts you see). This has to do with the different libraries wikimedia uses for those functions, so if the svg is viewed somewhere else texts might grow differently. I always want some extra space for the texts in the svg for this reason so I will keep it on two lines.
TransCarioca. “make a green path from nearby Asa Branca to Curicica”, on the pdf I found and the other we have the orange line splits just after Curicica and then follows the green all the way down to Terminal Recreio. Is that what you want?
TransBrasil. Can’t find the following on OSM so I can’t find the positions, can you fix coordinates?

Vasco da Gama; Baixa do Sapateiro; Rubens Vaz; Piscinão de Ramos; Fazenda Botafogo; Jardim Guadalupe; Guadalupe.

I think you should have an extra look at Deodoro, I don’t think I got it right with which is a terminal, connecting to which…
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--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super, it looks great. =)
TransCarioca and TransOlímpica are a bit intertwined in this section. This means that there are services that start at Terminal Recreio and go to Madureira, while there are services that start at Alvorada and go to Sulacap, for instance. I don't think we necessarily need to duplicate as the other maps do, because we don't map the dozens of different services, rather the corridor itself. Thus, a small line (either orange or green, or dashed with the two colors) between the "corners" close to Asa Branca and Curicica would suffice IMHO. OpenStreetMap, the green dashed lines are the bus corridors.
Yeah, TransBrasil is a bit broken on OSM. Need some effort to fix. Fixing on OSM while I type this comment:
- Vasco da Gama (it was incorrectly mapped as Caju)
- Baixa do Sapateiro (it was not mapped)
- Rubens Vaz (was mapped as under construction)
- Piscinão de Ramos (idem)
- Fazenda Botafogo (idem)
- Jardim Guadalupe (idem)
- Guadalupe (idem)--ArlindoPereira (talk) 11:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en just realized I missed the initial bus station for Niterói public transport: Terminal João Goulart: OSM. Mark as paid connection to Arariboia ferry station. On the east-west axis, the bus corridor from Alameda São Boaventura continues going west on Avenida Feliciano Sodré, then reaching the terminus on non-dedicated lanes via Av. Visconde do Rio Branco, thus with an inverted L shape (maybe we could try a thinner line to this vertical segment?)

The same arrangement of thin line (to represent major bus connection, but without a dedicated bus corridor) could be used to connect the terminal to Charitas. (i.e. TransOceânica lines OC1, OC2 and OC3).

Also the same thin line style could be used on the Conexão BRT lines as well.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so happy with having thinner lines, It can be very hard to see the differens especially for people who doesn't have good eyesight. If you look at TRANSBRASIL I have added below the red line, we can do this (or something similar) to the lines where there is a dedicated bus lane instead?
I didn't understand if you wanted me to add the three TransOceânica lines?
Draft transport-8

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is now very solid, just need to the smaller modes of transportation. I know historic tram might be hard because it will be directly under the legend for subway stations (Central do Brasil / Centro, Saara / Presidente Vargas and Uruguaiana / Centro). Do you feel it's time to work on the legend already? Or only after adding all modes?
Fair enough, no thinner lines. Didn't like the dashed pattern on TransBrasil, that specific pattern leads me to think that it is a train. Let's keep it without any differentiation.
(About 3 TransOceânica lines) Nope, just mentioned them so you can see that they start at Terminal João Goulart and go through regular streets, enter TransOceânica bus lanes, then exit through regular streets on the other side. But that would just pollute the map, let's leave that not connected.
Got info on how Galeão stops are operated on TransCarioca: after Aroldo Melodia, bus goes first to Galeão 2, then to Galeão 1, then returns directly to Aroldo Melodia. So maybe we could add some oneway arrows (facing north) to the semi-circles? Though the semi-circles could potentially just add confusion because instead of taking the left and driving the semi-circle clockwise (i.e. going north) it enters from the north and drive on the semi-circle counterclockwise. Anyway just thinking out loudly, such level detail is most likely not relevant enough to be included on the map.
On TransBrasil, Terminal Margaridas needs to be hidden (or if you want a light / gray pattern to indicate it is under construction, that could be a valid option as well).
On TransOeste, it is missing the free connection indication on Terminal Curral Falso, on Terminal Pingo d'Água and on Campo Grande. Oh btw just realized Campo Grande also needs to be a Terminal: Terminal Campo Grande.
On TransOlímpica, it is missing the free connection indication between Morro do Outeiro and Terminal Centro Olímpico.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 11:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We add everything before working on the legend.
For reserved lanes. We can instead do something like this, see TransBrasil e.g.? I do like the idea to show that they have dedicated lanes.
Galeão. We can’t show exactly how they actually drive, not here or anyplace else, shall we not just leave it as it is.
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--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure.
Having reserved lanes is the rule for everything we have included, in all bus corridors, with very minor exceptions. So I don't think we need to have this differentiation at all.
Yes, please :) I was thinking while typing, let's leave that as is.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what now, more to add? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en I think the next step is to add other modes of transportation, which are either more "local", or touristic, or both. More or less in order of importance, those would be:

Corcovado rack railway (touristic train to access the Corcovado mountain, with the famous Christ the Redeemer statue) - OSM
Pão de Açúcar / Sugar Loaf aerialcar (touristic aerialcar to access the top of Sugar Loaf hill and it's lower hill Morro da Urca) - OSM from Praia Vermelha to Morro da Urca + OSM from Morro da Urca to Sugar Loaf
Santa Teresa (historic) tram, from Downtown to Santa Teresa neighborhood, crossing the Lapa Aqueduct on top. This one is both relevant as local as touristic, because residents of Santa Teresa neighborhood can ride it for free, and actually use it as a local mode of transportation, while everyone else pays tourist tickets. It has a single initial station, a couple of major stops along the way and several "bus stops", that are simple stops only with a pole sign, without any specific name, where the tram would only stop by request. OSM
- This one is currently being expanded, a branch toward Largo das Neves, and a continuation of main branch towards Silvestre, where it will meet the Corcovado rack railway on a currently deactivated station.
Slums / "Favelas" Funiculars, which are two:
- Santa Marta, with 5 numbered stops OSM
- Pavão-Pavãozinho, with 5 numbered stops OSM
And Church related Funiculars, which are three, the first one being the most relevant:
- Igreja da Penha, with 6 numbered stops OSM
  - OSM is a bit wrong, it has only the initial stop. It's a total of 6 stations, on 3 different segments of funicular climbing with different degrees of inclination. A friend of mine recorded a couple of videos on it, I will edit OSM to fix it, and will let you know once it's ready.
- Igreja da Penna, with 2 named stops OSM
  - Naming is very similar, only one letter of difference.
- Outeiro da Glória, with 2 named stops OSM

For all of those transports with numbered stops, as well as the ones with named stops, I don't think it is super relevant to mention the stops name, i.e. for this list only include names for stops for Corcovado rack railway and Santa Teresa tram which are longer anyway. For Sugar Loaf aerialcar, I think it would make sense to instead name the "localities", so showing "Praia Vermelha" for Station 1, "Morro da Urca" for stations 2 + 3 and "Pão de Açúcar" for station 4.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sugar Loaf aerialcar... I can’t connect that to any of the lines above.
Some are very short in this scale.
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--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good. I would pick different colors for the funiculars, the historic tram and the rack railway. I suggest yellow for the historic tram (as the trams are painted yellow, please check Wikipedia article) and red for the rack railway (idem). The funiculars I think the color you chose is good because it already differentiates them.
Sugar Loaf aerial car is an aerial car system with two lines / four stations. There is one line from Praia Vermelha ("the ground") to Morro da Urca, the smaller hill of the two hills that compose Sugar Loaf. Then there is another station in Morro da Urca towards Pão de Açúcar (the bigger hill). Officially the stations are numbered 1 to 4, but I think you should only have a single legend as "Sugar Loaf aerialcar" / "Bondinho do Pão de Açúcar".
- Sorry just realized I pasted a wrong / repeated link on my previous comment. It's https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6048298 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6048477
It's missing the cable car in Downtown. I think it will be quite hard to list it without an inset, specially because it's final station, Gamboa, does not connect to VLT stop Gamboa, but to station Providência. Yeah. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6048549
One option we could try is to remove all VLT stops names from downtown, leaving only those on the ends of the lines (so keeping Gentileza, Praia Formosa, Praça XV and Santos Dumont) and only including the names on the inset.
For logos:
- Historic tram: I don't know why but Rio de Janeiro state government removed the Bonde de Santa Teresa logo from their website, but Wayback Machine has a copy (on the footer) - direct link
- Rack railway: Trem do Corcovado website - direct link (the one on the left).
- Aerialcar: Bondinho do Pão de Açúcar website - direct link
- Cable car in downtown, all funiculars: no specific logo.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 10:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to test another thing first for those touristic/local transportation. We already have a lot of colors and it will be harder and harder for every one with color deficiencies. We have some kind of structure with metro and trains having a white or black line within their lines and all the buses have solid colors. So in this draft I would like to try to have the same color but varied “patterns” to distinguish them.
I also think we will need insets, I’m also thinking about if we could have some for the really short touristic/local transportation, just as it won’t be too messy, we will see.
Santa Teresa. Is there no station at the end?
”Gamboa, does not connect to VLT stop Gamboa, but to station Providência.” Is that correct should it not be “Gamboa, does not connect to VLT stop Providência, but to station Gamboa” as it is on OSM?
Logos. They are all png’s and I don’t think we would be allowed to copy and transfer them to svg, shall we just leave them out for now.
I still haven't made the texts as visible as they can, will do that when all is #fixed#.
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--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The styles look nice. Liked specially the dashed one for the rack railway and the dotted one for the aerialway.
- Though I think that for the funiculars and the aerialway, it might make no sense to list the stops name, but rather the funicular or aerial car name. Listing station 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 do not communicate much, I guess.
Santa Teresa has no big station on the SW end, but some relevant stops with names. Listing below from NE to SW, after those you already have included:
It is a bit confusing. Please open this OSM link while reading my description. You can see that the aerial car N station is Gamboa, and it is very close to a VLT stop, however that stop name is Providência. There is also a VLT stop called Gamboa, to the west, but the one closer to Gamboa aerial car station is Providência. Quite confusing, and challenging to add legends. Hence, on a low level scale, it might make sense to label only the aerial car itself as "Teleférico da Providência" / "Providência Cable Car" and not the individual stations, and leave those details only for the inset.
Yeah, regarding logos, in terms of copyright in theory all logos are copyrighted. Usually there is some "lax" in logo usage, i.e. Licensing section.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 21:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

funiculars and the aerialway. Which would be the names to put out then? Or we save those for the insets.
So in a way the OSM (wikipedia also) is “wrong” and should be renamed… But it’s really confusing to have two names for the same station so either we put out both or pick one.
The name is too long for this Cable car so I will leave it out here.
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--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Funiculars and Cable cars names. You could use the full name in English or Portuguese, or the "short version", in bold.
- Bondinho do Pão de Açúcar / Sugar Loaf Cable Car
- Teleférico da Providência / Providência Cable Car
- Plano Inclinado do Outeiro da Glória / Outeiro da Glória Funicular
- Plano Inclinado do Santa Marta / Santa Marta Funicular
- Plano Inclinado do Pavão-Pavãozinho / Pavão-Pavãozinho Funicular
- Plano Inclinado da Igreja da Penha / Penha Church Funicular
  - This one has a very long official name "Plano Inclinado Padre Laércio Dias de Moura", paying tribute to a deceased priest but no one really uses that name.
- Plano Inclinado da Igreja da Penna / Penna Church Funicular
  - This one also has a very long official name "Plano Inclinado Monsenhor José Carlos Moreira" and their two stops have also mouthful names, but no one uses those names.
Yeah, another reason to keep their names out of the main map and only use on the insets. But only for the cable cars; I'd say that the funicular stops names are irrelevant (some even don't have names, only numbers).
Penha Funicular is missing some segments. It is comprised of three different funicular ways in succession: 1, 2, 3.
Some minor corrections on BRT:
- TransCarioca
  - Next to Penha Funicular, BRT station Ibiapina is split in a wrong way, the syllable separation would be I-bi-a-pi-na. So if you need to break it, choose Ibia-pina and not Ibiap-ina.
- TransBrasil
  - You included Terminal Margaridas but missed Terminal Missões. OSM--ArlindoPereira (talk) 15:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira
Are we going to add more transportation's or can I start to fine adjusting?
Draft transport-13 --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira I made a mistake when posting the comment above so you have probably not got a ping, hope you get one now. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en looks really nice. I'd change the legend of Historical tram to Santa Teresa tram (it is historical, but that's more of a description than of a name), and similarly the other ones. Other than that it's very solid. --ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en asked some friends in a public transport group to take a look on the current draft, here's some feedback from the community, that I didn't spot:

There's a typo on BRT TransOeste legend, close to Line 4 subway (it is written Transoesta)
On BRT TransBrasil, the section near station INTO, it is mapped as a binary, but in reality there's no such separation (both directions are on the same way).
- I noticed that stop wasn't properly mapped on OSM, just did it: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1343836282
There is an interaction on BRT TransBrasil with BRT TransCarioca, that is similar to what happens with BRT TransCarioca and BRT TransOlímpica (that small branch near stations Curicica and Asa Branca). There is a viaduct from BRT TransBrasil, that starts between stations Rubens Vaz and Baixa do Sapateiro, and lands on TransCarioca close to station Santa Luzia. You can map it as a small branch of BRT TransBrasil, thus with red color. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/578218039 --ArlindoPereira (talk) 17:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shall I begin with insets, legend and fine tuning? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en Yes I think so, other than those three points mentioned above, there is nothing to be changed.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the 3 last edits.
I don’t think I have got all the names for the local tourist stuff.
In inset 3. Check the positions and everything as it looks different when zoomed in. I have also made edits on the main map in this area, also check.
Cristiano Ottoni Pequena África, should this be on both vlt 2, 3 on base map and inset?
Praia Formosa vlt 2, I must have made a mistake at the base map, double stations?
Vlt 4 towards Terminal Intermoda Gentileza, I can't find the OSM for this part (so much info) so check om inset 1.
Ccr Barcas, shall we not add Praça da Bica.
I started to add a legend but I wasn’t sure if one with everything is needed as they are marked out pretty well?

Draft transport-14 --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Goran tek-en, it looks really nice with the insets. First, replying your questions:

Yes, Cristiano Ottoni Pequena África has stops from 3 VLT lines.
Path towards Terminal Intermodal Gentileza looks correct.
No double stations on Praia Formosa. There is a second platform but that is not open to public service, it is just extended to store trams that are waiting for next trip.
No, the ferry to Praia da Bica is not official and should probably be removed from OSM at some point.
It might be interesting to have the legend to group the different transports together, but it's up to you of course. Something similar to that example: https://www.tremdedados.com.br/mapa-rio-metropolitano-de-transportes/
Remarks about the main map and Inset 1:
- On TransBrasil, you need to deduplicate that segment near INTO station, as it is not a binary. The same applies on the inset.
- On Praça XV / ferry station, I don't think we need to differentiate the 4 piers / embarkment points. It can be a single station for all 4 ferries, connected to the single station for VLT.
Remarks about Inset 1 (downtown):
- There's a typo on subway station Saara / Presidente bVargas
- On Uruguaiana / Centro, syllable separation should is U-ru-guai-a-na, so to break in two lines, it should be "Uruguai-(line-break)ana/Centro". Though by the looks of it, it probably fits as "Uruguaiana/(line-break)Centro".
- Similarly, on VLT station Providência, syllable separation is Pro-vi-dên-cia.
- On Santa Teresa (historical) tram:
  - Curvelo should be Largo do Curvelo
  - Largo do Guimarães should be Largo dos Guimarães
Inset 2:
- On Corcovado rack railway, there's a bit of controversy on the final station name. Both OSM and Wikipedia mark it as "Cristo Redentor", though doing a bit of research, it seems that the station name in reality is "Corcovado", according to this photo it reads "Estação Corcovado" or "Corcovado station". I will fix OSM accordingly.
- Aerialway on Sugar Loaf mountain could have the stations named according to their "locality", i.e. station 1 (south west) could be "Praia Vermelha", station 2 + 3 could be both "Morro da Urca" and station 4 could be "Pão de Açúcar".
- On subway station General Osório / Ipanema, you can make both lines connect to the same station. The situation over there is: there are two stations / platforms underground, the one on the south is currently not in use; the one on the north is used by trains on "line 1 interconnected to line 4". Stupid naming, in reality they are the same line.
Inset 3:
- It is missing one way arrows around Penha 1 and Penha 2 (arrows going east-west around Penha 1 and west-east around Penha 2).
- There could also be paid connection between train station Penha and BRT station Penha 1.
- On Funicular:
  - "Plano Inclinado Padre Laércio Dias de Moura" is a mouthful. Yes it is the official name but no one calls it by that, including official signage. Please name it "Bondinho da Penha".
  - Please connect the south station of the "vertical segment" with the east station of the "horizontal segment" as free integration, as they're basically the same "station".--ArlindoPereira (talk) 23:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On TransBrasil, you need to deduplicate that segment near INTO station. If you want me to remove a part you have to tell me which part.
legend, name brt?
legend. Some names appear two times, in logos and in text “boxes”, texts?
Draft transport-15

--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map of Hadhrami migrations

Description of first image

Description of first image

Article(s): w:Hadhramaut, w:Hadharem

Request

I need an SVG map of the Hadhrami migrations in Asia and Africa based on this screenshot of the book "On the Edge of Empire : Hadhramawt, Emigration, and the Indian Ocean, 1880s-1930s" --Abo Yemen ✉ 17:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

areas per the book-
Arabian peninsula: Mecca Province, Medina Province, Jazan Province, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi
Africa: Cairo, Port Sudan, Suakin, Omdurman, Khartoum, the East Africa region (Kenya, Tanzania)
Islands: Zanzibar, Madagascar, Socotra
India: Kerala, Hyderabad
South East Asia is already clear on the map attached Abo Yemen ✉ 17:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)

@Abo Yemen: Hi,

Don't you think it will be better to start your pages before any graphist works on your editing request?

Yours, En rouge (talk) 15:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They already exist tho, i just dont know why it wont link Abo Yemen ✉ 15:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

just fixed the links Abo Yemen ✉ 15:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion polling on the whether the United Kingdom should rejoin the European Union

Article(s): Potential re-accession of the United Kingdom to the European Union

Request: Can someone please update this graph? The relevant opinion polling is on the above Wikipedia under "Article(s). Helper201 (talk) 20:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)

Eurozone map

Article(s): hu:Konvergenciakritériumok (Európai Unió)

Request

Hi, I would like to know if the update of this map should be recommended or not (e.g. the file is not svg). If yes, could you please create a new 2024 version with the following changes:

Croatia should be blue (Eurozone member)
the UK should be white (not EU member)
Bulgaria should be in gold (ERM II member)
Bosznia should be replaced by Bosznia-Hercegovina

Thank you in advance! Bencemac (talk) 15:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)

@Bencemac: Hi,

I think it is a great opportunity to start a svg file, rather than editing any png one.

I've found some svg maps, with or without text:

File:Europäische Wirtschafts- und Währungsunion 2.svg
File:Eurozone_main_map.svg
File:Eurozone Internal.svg
Category:SVG maps of the European Union
...
I think it's up to you to find the appropriate svg base map, to be able to answer your request.

You can browse categories, here in Commons, and even find some other svg files in Wikipedia pages, about en:Eurozone or en:Euro convergence criteria (or whatsoever), in other languages.

Yours, En rouge (talk) 15:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq Kurdistan political map

Article(s): Iraqi Kurdistan

Request: (Can anyone create a version of this map? Taken from this article. Ideally, we would have an English, Arabic and Kurdish version also. --الدبوني (talk) 07:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)

الدبوني: We have File:Kurdistan governorates 2015.png/File:Kurdistan governorates 2015-ar.png. Those will probably work well with appropriate captions. (The border of the east two governates is different but that doesn't affect the use at hand.) CMD (talk) 09:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@الدبوني and Chipmunkdavis: Hi,

Displaying the map, if you click on Datawrapper under the map, you get a new display. Then this new map is composed thanks to an embedded svg. Copying/pasting this code will directly give a svg file (with probably some workaround).

Copyright from OpenStreetMap contributors give a license compatible with uploading to Commons (to be confirmed).

Yours, En rouge (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@الدبوني: Hi,

Don't you think it will be better to start your page before any graphist works on your editing request?

En rouge (talk) 15:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct Green Valley, IL map to put circular emphasis on right municipality

Highlighting is on wrong village

Article(s): en:Green Valley, Illinois

Request: The red circle is on the wrong village. It needs to be moved over to where Green Valley actually is (towards the bottom left). Thanks! --WhisperToMe (talk) 18:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)

WhisperToMe The 02:49, 28 October 2017 version seems to have the circle in the right place, but there is a square that changes color. Which square color is correct? CMD (talk) 00:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis: The red settlement (the others are gray) is the correct location. The map is supposed to depict Green Valley, seen here. Compare with Tazewell County here. The circle is instead over Armington (which is depicted here: File:Tazewell_County_Illinois_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Armington_Highlighted.svg). The circle is supposed to emphasize Green Valley. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That does seem to suggest the 02:49, 28 October 2017 has the correct circle, but do you know what to do with the square? ie. can this be reverted, or does a new version have to combine the old circle and new square? CMD (talk) 01:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis: I see. The square should be en:Heritage Lake, Illinois (a census-designated place) based on the placement. I'm not really sure why it is not filled in with gray. I checked File:Harris County Texas incorporated and unincorporated areas Cloverleaf highlighted.svg and I notice some census-designated places are filled in with grey but some are not. Maybe I should ping the uploader and ask them if CDPs are supposed to be gray or white. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it is, just revert to 02:49, 28 October 2017. If not, should be easy enough to combine the two.

CMD (talk) 02:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Waters' Berlin Wall concert

Article(s): en:The Wall – Live in Berlin

Request: Please will sone kindly take a modern map of the relevant part of Berlin city centre, and overlay the perimeter and stage ("
Bühne
") of the above concert, based on the diagram seen part-way down this web page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Request taken by --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm using OSM as source for the background map, but how detailed do you want this map, try to explain, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en: As detailed as the source image; any more would be original research. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:16, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

----

Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.

Those drafts are shown for proofreading only.

----

I assumed you wanted to see the underlying map under the area. Did you want the entrances marked out, texts for them and stage...

Give me feedback, thanks.

Draft concert-1 --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing Could you check the draft above and give me feedback, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en: Sorry, I wrote a reply the other day, but clearly didn't save it. That looks good, thank you. Maybe make the outlining a little heavier - it's hard to see the stage, for instance. The stage needs a label (or at least a symbol which can be labelled in the caption, to keep things multilingual). Symbols for the entrances, too, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really understand what you mean with the stage symbol/label.

Draft concert-2 --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en: Rather than using the English word "stage", which is of no use in other languages, please use a symbol, like "‡" (or even "S"), which can be used in the caption alongside the word for "stage" in whichever langauge is needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing Draft concert-3 --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goran tek-en: That looks great, thank you. Please will you add the other two, accessible (wheelchair-symbol) entrances? Then I think we are good to go. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]